These guys get you on the phone and make you think it is a prestigious program that will lead you to success. They spew the idea of leveraging your credit card to pay $15K - $25K to get into the program and then get really nasty with you when you are responsible and say credit cards and balance transfers are not smart.
The bottom line is, if you can't get started yourself to be successful, this program won't make it so 90% of the time. I just got off the phone with a guy named Travis, who called from Freedom Mentor, and who then spent five minutes telling me that I cannot be successful without the program and that I have no common sense for not putting $15K on my credit card.
I don't doubt Phil is a good guy, but you are paying this guy a quarter million dollars to get started! I hope this post wakes you up and gives you the courage to go do it yourself. After I had said no to this program, I went out and closed two deals, with a few others in the works. Half of that profit would have gone to a guy in Florida that I didn't know. It is scary starting by yourself, but I assure you, there are hundreds of great investors in your area that would love to help you out. I found one really easy and he has become my mentor for FREE! I urge you to do the same.
To be honest, I would have never written a review about this program, but the phone call I got from them today really pissed me off. The nerve of this Travis guy to call me and get so angry and forceful trying to hard-line sell me and pressure me into thinking that I will fail without them was awful. Their true colors really showed, and I had to write this to hopefully save someone else the trouble.
Bottom Line: No, I would not recommend this to a friend
This review is completely inaccurate. We keep very detailed records of all of our team's correspondence with anyone applying to get into our program. This applicant, Joe from Virginia, did not have the conversations with Travis he has recounted in this review. Either Joe is confusing us with another company he has been recently corresponding with, or he is outright fabricating his account altogether.
Here are the facts. Here is the detailed recount of all of our correspondence with Joe from Virginia:
01/13/2017, 17:50:34 (2 minute, 20 second call): Let him know that we had received his application and Joe wanted to know a whole lot more about our program, so he was sent free access to a very detailed video course that will answer many of his questions, and then set up a follow-up call in three days.
01/16/2017, 14:08:25 (33-second call): Joe said he hadn't reviewed the video course yet and asked for a follow-up call later in the week.
01/21/2017, 14:00:56: Left a voicemail.
01/23/2017, 17:52:00 (32-second call): Joe said he is was still reviewing the video course and to follow up in a couple of days.
01/28/2017 09:10:54 (12-second call): Joe said he was driving and couldn't be on the cell phone while driving and said to call back next week.
01/31/2017, 18:28:25 (5-second call): Joe immediately hung-up iafter picking up the phone.
That's it. Those are the facts.
We do not treat applicants the way Joe described. We don't pressure them in any way. In fact, it's the exact opposite. We interview them to see if they are a good fit. We turn away a very large portion of our applicants, and if they can't get it, we provide as many free trainings as we possibly can for them; from hundreds of free video trainings, to a copy of Phil's book for free, etc.
We hope that every aspiring investor is very successful. We're not a large company so we can't possibly help the vast majority of people who want to be real estate investors. We have to be very selective of who we bring in. This Joe person obviously never even made it past round one of our interview process.
We do not spew the idea of leveraging one's credit card into join our program. If someone doesn't have the financial wherewithal to join, we encourage them to try to earn the money through a special course that we provide for free on bird-dogging.
We have no idea why this Joe person would write such an inaccurate account of our company, but perhaps he was corresponding with a different company at the same time he was talking to us? Maybe he was drunk? Who knows. Lastly, since this individual's account of his interactions with our company is completely incorrect, you may want to exercise extreme caution in heeding any of his other advice.
You kept a record of all this titled "Joe." To be honest, that is not even my name. I was a bit frightened to put my real name down because of the unprofessional phone call I received before writing my original review. These are not my recordings at all. I had an extensive contact with both Caleb and Travis. I even had contracts drawn up to begin your program until I realized the mistake I was making.
The bottom line is, Phil your program might be all right, but some of your representatives get nasty. This isn't the first time I have read this either. To imply I was drunk or talking to another company is silly. Are there that many companies that do exactly what you do, that I would get confused about who I am talking to?
I have said my peace, though. I am not lying about anything, and I hope whoever reads this can tell that.
Didn't expect that! Please let me know who you are so I can sort this out. Feel free to email me directly if you don't want to share your name publicly. Then I can investigate and if you had been treated anywhere near the way you described, not only will I provide you with the deepest apology I know how to provide, but I also will need to deal with associate who did it. Such behavior is grounds for instant dismal. I have no idea why someone who is interviewing you would treat you the way you described; it makes no sense to me; we turn away a ton of applicants per month, some of which get nasty and mean that we turned them down. But regardless, what you described as to how you were treated won't be tolerated.
Oh, and people confuse us with other companies surprisingly often. I guess copycats have popped up and named their operations similar to mine.
I have been through the apprentice application interview calls and I was excited about the entire operation until the final hour. In my second phone interview, I told the caller that I won't be pressured into anything. I need to take the information and one, pray about it, and two, have my attorney review the contract. The third, and final call came and in the final hour, I stated that I needed to let my attorney read the contract before I would sign it. In response, I was told that the program would not be available for me then. They also said, "No need for an attorney to get involved. If they had listened to the entire application process then they would understand and it would be ok, but since they weren't involved, I can't let you show them." My attorney sees everything I sign.
I am very sorry that a team member of mine would ever do that, or say what you are reporting here. That is completely unacceptable. I am a huge proponent of having all agreements, contracts and paperwork reviewed by an attorney. I'll try to track down who treated you this way based on your first name, and ensure what happened to you never happens again.
I appreciate you sharing this with me because it helps me improve my operation. I wish you all the best in the future.
I talked to a rep from the Freedom Mentoring program today and his attitude was awful. He was very high pressure and continually said "I am not here to convince you that this will benefit you. It would be crazy to not let us take your money because you will get it all back in the end. We are here to make you rich and why wouldn't you do this if you can spend $10,000 to $40,000 to make $250,000.... " things like that. Not his exact words but that is basically what I was hearing. I heard the "I am not trying to convince you .... but...." at least 5-6 times.